South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson calls the President a liar during speech

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[KS]

I couldn't watch the speech, precisely because Obama lies (and is applauded for it). Apparently Rep. Wilson has a safe seat in Congress, but I'd still send him a big campaign contribution if I had the money to spare.

[piano girl]

Sending a campaign contribution to Rep. Wilson tomorrow! I didn't watch the speech because I knew people like dear Nora would do it for me! I owe you big time, my friend!!! :~)

[Saras Palindrome]

How are all you little Eichmanns doing today?

[Reasonsjester]

It is interesting you should mention Eichmann, Saras.

I'm re-reading Jonah Goldberg's Liberal Fascism, which reads like a play by play of the FASCISTS in our current government. Fascists are collectivists and share many ideological affinities with socialists. That is what is confusing many on what is misleadingly referred to as the political "right" on what to call the collectivist-statist scumbags in the current government. But I think the golden thread is the Cloward-Piven strategy (the idea developed by two Columbia University leftists to overwhelm the system).

To quote Goldberg's book:

"As Michael Gold of the "New Masses" put it in response to the poet Ezra Pound's support for fascism: 'When a cheese goes putrid, it becomes limburger, and some people like it, smell and all. When the capitalist state starts to decay, it goes fascist." (76)

It is my view, and Goldberg's book supports it, that America underwent a fascist coup under Woodrow Wilson. The key is to realize that fascism was seen by those on the left, specifically Trotsky, as the "crisis" or transition stage to socialism and thence to communism.

It is easily verifiable that U.S. under Wilson adopted two planks out of the Communist Manifesto right off the bat: The founding of a central bank (carefully framed as a "federal reserve system"), and a graduated income tax. The implementation of the rest of the Communist Manifesto has been more incremental,including: encouragement of welfare entitlement programs, economic zoning, high taxation (among the highest corporate taxes in the world, e.g., which is a form of double taxation), federal property accumulation, environmental regulation, excessive litigation, federal intrastate commerce regulation, subsidies (a form of wealth redistribution), and even eminent domain claims.

The architect of Fabian or incremental socialism was John Maynard Keynes, who was the pre-eminent designer of the Bretton Woods or post-war order. In 1971, the complete disintegration of property-based currency, or as Austrian school economist Ludwig von Mises defined it, money as a "store of wealth," meant that money ceased being private property and essentially became certificates of debt that the government owned and which the people used merely to exchange goods and services.

These actions taken against the "capitalist" system ("capitalism" being a term of Marxist coinage) means essentially that the government can intentionally crash the system (again, think Cloward-Piven), and true-believer socialists will perceive this as being a collapse of "capitalism." But a cursory examination of the tax code, business regulations, environmental regulations, the imense accumulation of state property, the manipulation of currency by the central bank, the nationalization of industries and banks, shows clearly that this is NOT capitalism collapsing, but the state crushing the free enterprise system - on purpose.

Why would the state do this?

Because ever since the Enlightenment, the state has wanted to regain its hold over the private and economic lives of "citizens" (a term that took on new meaning in that period). Statists have loathed private property protected by a Constitution because it limits their ability to rule over people. So how does the state get a people to give up a successful system of organized liberty and trade it for serfdom?

First, destroy all competing moral systems. Attack or usurp Christianity. Promote tolerance toward religions that attack Christianity, such as Islam.

Second, cease teaching true critical thinking skills, and the pillars of science and mathematics on which they are built. It is no accident that America is abysmal in math and science, despite spending a colossal amount of money on education.

Third, cease teaching Americans about the founding, and omit all Constitutional references in the mainstream culture.

Fourth, infiltrate the universities. Get professors on board with teaching that capitalism and our country's history are filled with evil. Train journalists, lawyers, jurists, bureaucrats and politicians to infiltrate the system and pervert it from within (whether they acknowledge they are doing so or not).

Fifth, attack all true patriotism and loyalty to the system of Constitutionally protected individual rights as akin to fascism, or preferably, Nazism. Of course, the Constitution is the nemesis of totalitarian state power, thus the need to smear it and its supporters on irrational, purely baseless grounds. This is done mainly by mindless parroting, as you yourself display on a daily basis.

My suggestion is to know what you are talking about before spouting off. Stop repeating insipid talking points and show a little more curiosity toward investigating opinions you have been told are morally wrong.

I myself have been told how capitalism is evil, in one form or another, for decades. A closer, more historically based and open-minded investigation of this case shows it to be self-serving hyperbole utilized by statists to justify expansion of their power to determine the lives of others.

This includes the Nazis, if you would care to examine the record. For example:

"The Nazi ideologist - and Hitler rival - Gregor Strasser put it quite succinctly: 'We are socialists. We are enemies, deadly enemies, of today's capitalist economic system with its exploitation of the economically weak, its unfair wage system, its immoral way of judging the worth of human beings in terms of wealth and their money, instead of their responsibility and their performance, and we are determined to destroy this system whatever happens!" (71)

Or you can compare the 1920 Nazi party platform with that of today's Democrats: http://users.stlcc.edu/rkalfus/PDFs/026.pdf

If you excise the anti-Semitism, which is not a defining but incidental feature of the political system of fascism, you've got more than a few chance similarities. You will find nothing about Constitutionally guaranteed individual rights, the right to private property, or even an utterance about liberty.

[piano girl]

Joe Wilson announced this morning that he has no intentions of apologizing to the House for what he said, so SanFranNan can stick that in her pipe and smoke it! Good for him!

[Nora]

He apologized immediately, to the pres, for his lack of decorum and that
should be the end of it. Besides, the more the left focuses on him, the more
the rest of us support the guy who called it. If it was such a lie, how come
they just closed the loophole that allowed illegals healthcare? Sheesh!

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